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SLR 7.62mm Rifle L1A1. The United Kingdom produced its own variant of the Belgian FN FAL incorporating the modifications developed by the Allied Rifle Committee.

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June 10, 2011, PM

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Century Arms FN/FAL L1A1.

I need advice ASAP, been wanting a FN/FAL for a long time but i know nothing about them, and im going to pick one up in the morning Can anyone tell me what i should look for or check. This is the gun.

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Century Arms is more in the inexpensive area of FAL s. In other words this particular FAL was not made by FN, Steyr Mannlicher, nor DSA.

I am not saying it isn t an excellent rifle. Just understand this is a cheaper one, if you decide to sell it later. If it is the only FAL you are likely to own, they are excellent rifles.

I think they Century Arms may have been building those from demilitarized STG-58 parts kits which were common at one time. Look for a makers emblem on the upper receiver. If it is an Imbel receiver that is good. I am not familiar with off brand receivers. It is not anyone s military issue; whoever built it did not bother to refinish it, I think.

Look for more advice from others on cash value, but, I would say buy at 750; sell it for 1,000. It seems to show wear and the muzzle has no flash hider or muzzle break nor bayonet lug, possibly for legal assembly reasons. That handguard is not Austrian. I am pretty sure it isn t Imbel either. Otherwise it looks stock.

A nice, new DSA custom could cost 2-3 times as much.

Edit: The L1A1 means it is an inch pattern, UK/Commonwealth production. Almost all English speaking countries made these, except US.

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It s only 400. Thats what bothers meand im not going to be able to shoot it before i buy it.

FN FAL for 400 smells fishy

I would make sure it has a serial number and makers mark, that do not look like garage work. Don t go alone, and leave your destination address with a family member. Mail your life insurance premium, etc.

At that price it may be stolen or you could be getting set-up.

Another thing: definitely look for a Century Arms imprint on the receiver. Reason: Not that CA is stellar, they are not. But presumably CA would have test fired it. If not so identified, then it is probably somebody s homemade parts gun, which has safety and legal implications. It is, or was, possible to purchase all the parts and put one together. You test fire, or better yet, make the seller test-fire it, to prove the headspace is set up right. Home assembly does not involve precision and specs.

An inch parts gun will not be upgradeable with metric parts. But inch parts are available.

I m not worried about that, as i am meeting him at a local community college, and my dad and cousin will be with me, both are ex marines and my dad and myself are always armed. Im worried about the gun.

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Please reduce the size of your pictures.

may have been building those Century is well known for assembling rifles out of parts bins with zero QC. They re also known for assembling FAL s with a mixture of inch and metric parts. Those may or may not function. That may be why the guy only wants 400.

Wouldn t touch any rifle Century had anything to do with myself.

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I have heard alot of bad things about century arms, but it seems to me like most posts are 50/50, some run fine, others dont.

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Have him guarantee that it functions before you hand over the cash. Also ask for a copy of his drivers license if that will ease your mind. 400 is a great price, but it does smell fishy since:

1. Century FALs may have problems; and

2. It may be a hot item.

Good luck, and keep us updated.

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I dont know about where you guys live, but here i can call the local PD and they will runn the numbers for you.

Yes, I would run the numbers before the transaction. No match found would indicate a parts gun. BATF are the people you should talk to now, not after.

I liked the big picture, and tried to enhance it but could not read anything on the side of the receiver.

I always run numbers unless i buy at a gun shop or show. Thanks for all the input guys, i guess i will check it out and go with my gut on this one.

June 11, 2011, AM

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I guess I m one of the lucky ones

GreenPhantom:

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I have one with a Century Arms receiver that I bought a few years back, for 400, from my local gunsmith, who built it. It s a lot funkier looking than yours, but it runs fine and I like it.

Good luck.

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I have read that you might want to check for excessive wobble or play with the magazine installed in the reciever. The magazine will feel very loose fitting in the reciever if it is one of the problem recievers. If I remember right this was only on some of the recievers being used in the builds on the century arms FALs. I m sure youre aware of centurys spotty reputation so just be cautios. The gamble might not be worth it. It might cost you hundreds of dollars to get it working properly if there is a problem. For 1000 you can buy a DSA Imbel FAL that is refinished and in good working order. On the other hand you might be getting a screaming deal. Just be cautios.

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I owned a Century L1A1 some years ago. It cost 475 brand new dealer and it functioned perfectly. I later built an L1A1 with an Entreprise upper and a Century Aussie kit, and traded the origional Century L1A1 and a P95 for an M1D.

The L1A1 mags are inch pattern, and differ slightly with the metric STG style mags. The proper inch pattern mags will lock up tight, and the metrics will lock up, but because of the size of the lip on the fromt, will rock a little when empty.

Unless the barrel is over or under timed that was the big issue with the rifles Century built, L1A1 or CETME, but fixable, you are probably good to go. I still have and love my build L1A1, and recently traded a midlength AR15 for a SWEET Entreprise early L1A1 and 1000 rounds of Radway Green and FNM. 308. I KNOW I got the better part of that deal. 400 is a good deal if the rifle shoots at all.

BTW, it looks like an Aussie kit was used on that rifle.

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June 11, 2011, PM

WellI bought it. It says Made In Canada on the upper and lower, it has the widows peak, the guy claims he has had the gun over ten years, and he tried to get me to follow him to his house so i could shoot it. But i assume only range time will tell if i got a good deal.

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Good News For Me She does not jam. But she does sling brass about 20 feet, is that a good thing, or a bad thing.

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20 is a tad long it should be about 15

You can adjust this with the gas regulator BTW. go UP one click for less flinging, DOWN for more.

Allan Quatermain: Automatic rifles. Who in God s name has automatic rifles.

Elderly Hunter: That s dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.

Its set at 4 now, i will try and set it tomorrow i guess. Anyone have any free. 308 ammo i can have . .On a side note, everything on this rifle seems to be inch pattern, but the mag catch in the rifle seems to be metric.

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Re that last question, the typical Century-assembled FAL consists of inch-pattern parts from military rifles, usually British or Canadian, sometimes Australian, built onto new metric-pattern upper receivers. Functionally it works out okay, no problem, and the guns use metric-pattern mags rather than the more expensive, less commonly available inch-pattern mags.

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Sounds like there is a lot of FAL savvy here. Can anyone tell me what makes an original FN FAL worth almost 4 times as much as a new DSA STG58. I paid 1300 for mine and realize I paid slightly too much, but what possible advantage would make an FN worth 4200.

Sorry if I m hijacking here, the question peculated into my mind tonight as I looked at FAL s for sale.

Another question, since I m hijacking, is it true that the shorter barreled Para should be as accurate as the full length rifle.

I really like my FAL. Maybe will start a collection even, the next one will be a paratrooper folding stocked gun if there is no downside.

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I had one of these racy Klinton Sporters for a while.

I tweaked with it and it was fun, but it went in trade for the AR10.

I hope your new acquisition provides you with much fun.

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Nothing like paranoia.

Times are tough; Guns are getting sold by people that need money. And CIA FAL sporters, as pointed out in another post, aren t that great.

Thanks for all the helpful info guys, it is much appreciated. BTW, could someone point me to a sight where i could find parts. The top cover is a little banged up on one side and i would like a new one, or a used one in better condition. also how would i go about mounting a bi pod on this rifle. Thanks again.

There s a site called The FAL Files Forums that has all you ll ever want or need to know. Just Google it. A good place for parts is GunThings.com, run by a guy called Bradand re the other question, genuine Belgian guns are more expensive than others for the usual firearms market reason, which is scarcity. Fabrique Nationale in Herstal, Belgium, just never made many guns for sale on the civilian market, so the relatively few guns imported into the US in the 70s and 80s get more desirable with every passing year. For that same reason, the most expensive FAL you can buy in the US today isn t a Belgian gun but a genuine all-original Australian L1A1 -- not Aussie parts assembled onto a new upper receiver by Century or whoever, but a whole gun, receiver and all, manufactured at the Lithgow arsenal.and finally, yes, in my experience the para FALs are usually as accurate as the full-length guns. The barrel is a little shorter, but the sight radius is the same.

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The pic in the original post shows that neither the barrel nor the hand guards will accept the FN style bipod. That design fits around a special ring machined on the outside of the barrel, just in front of the gas block.

What does that mean. I haven t heard that term before.

As for replacing the dust cover, it s easy and cheap. I bought one at a gunshow for 5 and it was new-unused. It was made by H K

I guess there were lots of spare dust covers made back when West Germany used the FAL, which it did prior to adopting the H K G3.

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Dust covers Scope mount

If you are going to replace the dust cover, you might as well get one that is a scope mount.

Ask DSA about inch vs metric for this.

Correct that the photo shows the absence of the bipod cut and handguard grooves. Apparently inchers dont have this. I would replace the handguard and look for a bipod that will fit your barrel and fold into the grooves.

Widows Peak describes the type of feed ramp, You either have a Widows Peak, or a Unibrow. Marco, the dust cover on the rifle now has a scope mount but it has been hit by a few shells and is scuffed up. So yes, i would like the new dust cover to have a mount as well. BTW, if i change the Handgaurds i would like to have a quad rail, do they make one for this rifle.

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Thats a nice rail, seems a little high on price. I guess i will shop around to see if i can find a cheaper one. Thanks for the link Marco.

DSA is high-end

D A is high-end. I have 2 STG-58 sets, plus 2 Imbel receivers. I need before I can have them assembled the way I want, as DSA paratroopers.

I would like to see a photo of your feed ramp. I will post one of my SAR-48 s Springfield Armory built Match Congo Rifle on Imbel.

Last edited by Marco Califo; June 13, 2011 at PM.

I have something like this cheapie on my FAL came with the rifle.

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Unlike the DSA, this one will NOT hold zero if you unscrew it and take it off I believe the reason why the DSA is so expensive and costs so much is because they overbuilt it in an attempt to get RTZ--I could be wrong. Read something to that effect a long time ago while researching my FAL.

However, you can still effectively clean your FAL without removing the dust cover kind of like an AR15. Also if you do decide to go the Cheapie UTG route, make sure you DO NOT DROP THE HAMMER ON A CLOSED AND BOLTLESS FAL. This will lock up the receiver, and prevent you from shotgunning it. You will probably have to unscrew the front takedown pin and open it up that way. It s just a pain in the ass to unscrew the front take down pin.

Ask me how I know.

I would say that I think mine looks the same as yours, as it has two distinct ramps, one on each side,

June 14, 2011, PM

GreenPhantom, re your dust cover being scuffed up from being hit by a few shells, I think you ll find that your new dust cover might also look that way after a little shooting. FALs have a way of bouncing cases off the receiver as they eject, creating what we call brass kisses. Nothing you can do about it but relax and admire them.

Brass kisses are the result of the front face of the ejector not being in contact with the correct part of the case rear when it is extracted. This spins the brass excessively so the case mouth contacts the dust cover. It is not inevitable can be fixed fairly simply, you just need to work on the ejector a little.

An easier temporary alternative is magnetic plastic from a refrigerator magnet on steel covers or Velcro on alloy one. Just put a patch of the appropriate material where the marks appear until you get the ejector tuned properly.

What do you mean by Work on the ejector . Take it out and file it. It does seem to protrude out at the top more than it does the bottom.

DO NOT DROP THE HAMMER ON A CLOSED AND BOLTLESS FAL

I think I have been successful in using a piece of dowel rod to reach into the ejection port, and push back the hammer until it cocks.

But I don t sound all that confident, do I.. Maybe that was something else. I have screwed up on a lot of gun designs, over the years.

Hey. I make millions. I ll build a special tool just to do this, and charge 29.99 for it. Brownell s, here I come.

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June 15, 2011, AM

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400 is a great price. Jump on it.

I have a Century L1A1 that i got for 500 with the butt hole stock, origional stocks, 5 magazines, and a bayonet for 500 4 years ago.My reed ramp is the mono brow..not the bad double chin look. This can be fixed.

It was built on a Imbel reciever which is the best way to go. My L1A1 is a british inch pattern. The reciever is metric and it does take inch mags.

A heavy gun.

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What is needed is careful adjustment of the front face of the ejector.

The face s contact point with the rear of the case is finicky precise so you need to mark the face, see where it contacts the brass adjust the point of contact to make a desired change.

First you need to find what part of the case is hitting where, this determines what material needs removing. Re-working the face is done so that the brass ejection angle is raised to stop striking receiver, or lowered to stop striking dust cover by making a vertical adjustment. The higher the brass is struck the lower the brass will travel.

Then you change the left/right shape to make the brass spin less to stop the case mouth striking or more hardly ever needed to increase spin speed. the spin adjustment is tricky you re only working with 1/8 or so in total, so do the less tricky vertical first.

Much more detailed instructions pictures here:

Thanks for the info and the link wogpotter, i just might give this a try.

DSA does not carry these. Maybe Entreprise does.

Whether inch or metric, I really do not want to try one of these.

Did you have yours fitted.

Do you use a lot of cosmoline to get a good cheek-weld.

I hope you clean it well after firing.

Does that come with a cleaning rod and patches.

Are squib loads a problem.

And the gas regulator, does Master Blaster use the 9 setting.

I could go on all day.

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I don t think anyone currently carries those horrors. They were a way to deal with the now pretty much defunct Imported Assault Weapons Ban.

Even if you find one you will need to make changes to the lower to make it work as it had to not just be different from the regular stock, but not be interchangeable with it either. Because of this the lowers were neutered into a non-assault weapon configuration to allow attachment of the thumb, err butt hole stock:barf::barf::barf:

June 15, 2011, PM

Sorry I forgot there are a lot of young pups here who were kids when the Clinton Assault Gun Ban. Pistol grips were outlawed along without other features. They came out with a thumb hiole stock which was coined the name Hillery hole or butt hole stock.people in general hated the stocks.

June 16, 2011, AM

Can someone tell me where i can find out more about this receiver, Its marked UB 61. Does that mean BSA.

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June 16, 2011, PM

Cor. Live and learn. All these years and I never knew about the ejector fix. Thanks, Wogpotter.

where i can find out more about this receiver, Its marked UB 61. Does that mean BSA.

It would help tremendously if you would post a picture of that marking on the receiver. Here are standard Imbel markings:

You re welcome, mate.

I used magic marker for the face an Arkansas stone for the job, slow easy re mark frequently. Best way is to do it at the range if possible that way you can test as you go re-mark before more material removal.

Hillery hole or butt hole stock.people in general hated the stocks.

Actually, I am old enough to remember the thumbhole stock vs. pistol grip. I was trying to be funny. I actually admired Hillary for standing by her liar dirt bag hubby when he got caught staining Monica s dress. I always thought Hillary was glad Bill hired out for that. It was the most fun to come out of DC in years. And then Starr had to keep it in the press. Hilarious.

It was one of those bans that got me to buy my SAR-48 while I still could.

June 17, 2011, AM

After the ban ended I have been buying in fear of the next onegot a lot of guns now

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man about a buck or more a bullet

If you poke about you should still be able to find SA battlepacks of. 308 for about 65 70 still, although the supply is reducing so act now as that comes out to about 0.46 a round for decent ammo.

Unfortunately I still see folks delaying buying because prices were climbing, but it emphatically is not going to get better if you buy now you ll be able to laugh at the folks who will be complaining about. 308 2.50 a round when you got a bargain.

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Magog, that s when you start reloading. LOL

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I started out reloading some time back in the 70 s. Back then ammo was about 20.00 for a box of 20 centerfire rifle rounds. There weren t the deep discounters operating so ammo was expensive.

But as the surplus glut hit the market in every caliber imaginable I quit because I just couldn t compete with the 17c a round prices that were the going rate back then for all the calibers I used. Instead did a CLR Clean, lube repair , packed up all the equipment put my ammo funds into buying before it went back up.

Sure enough the Brit, South African, Canadian, Portuguese other ammo was grabbed used as it is a consumable after all. Now I m back to reloading again. Luckily a lot of the ammo I bought back then was reloadable so in some cases I m still running on glut-priced supplies. LC 68 cases bought as a 50 cal ammo can full for 15.00 including the can back in the day I bought every can the guy had.

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Agree with Edward. You will need several cleaning rods to cover that wide of a range. Buy good cleaning rods. Buy one for 22-30 caliber, one for 32-40 caliber, and another for the big stuff. They need to be one piece, smooth, have industry-standard female threads for attaching jags and brushes, and have a good handle. Smooth metal, coated, or even graphite reinforced resin is good, that way they are easy to wipe off and won t scratch the bore of the rifle.

That said, there is no need for precision ball bearing swivel stainless steel iridium plated laser aligned diamond honed indestructible non-petrochemical polymer handle ground thread cleaning rods. I think some people confuse the fact that a cleaning rod is basically just a handle for the bore brush.

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Remington 760

Anyone have experience and opinions on the Remington 760 22. Is 349 a good price for one in good condition with a peep sight and scope.

Also, what s the difference between a standard rifle and a carbine.

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Carbine has an 18.5 barrel. Good info here:

349 is a fair price for a good condition 760, but not a great price. What kind of scope is on it. Some would add no value at all; others would. Oh, and what caliber is it. That could make a difference, too.

The 760 is a fine rifle, and can be surprisingly accurate. Took my first whitetail with my father-in-law s. 30-06 760. I inherited that rifle when he started downsizing. No plans to sell it any time soon.

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carbine vs. rifle

The rifle std rifles have 22 barrel, while the carbines have a 20 barrel.

That sounds like a pretty good price for the rifle. Since it has both a peep sight and a scope mounted on it, I am assuming it has see through scope mounts which make the scope fit pretty high and can give you problems getting a good cheek weld when using the scope.

I have a Remington 742 742 is a semi-automatic while the 760 is a pump action but they are virtually the same gun.

My rifle is in. 30-06 and will shoot 1 groups at 100 yds with factory ammunition it prefers.

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Some of the earliest 760 s that came with peep sights had side-mount scopes. I would severely discount the price for any 760 that was drilled for sidemount scope.

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Excellent pump deer rifle. Almost identical to a 870 shotgun in the position and manner of the safety, slide release, receiver shape. if you have an 870 you would hardly know the difference in the dark as to how they handle.

My first large caliber rifle in the 1960 s was a 760 in 270 caliber. I now have a 760 carbine in 30-06 set up as a night hunting hog gun. Only difference in rifle and carbine models is barrel length. Carbine will be a factory 18 and will be stamped CARBINE on the barrel. My long range deer rifle is now a custom bolt action my father made me, but the 760 model will always be dear to my heart.

Yes that is a good price for one in good shape. They are excellent guns for ranges less than 150 yards. A 760 will also fit into a police type electric gun rack for vehicles that holds the 870 shotguns as long as you do not scope it.

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USED them for 25years or more never had any trouble with them,Great deer rifle alot of folks in your neck of the woods Penn. use them agood bit.Thats about middle of the road price down here.lite fast accurate just a little rough on the trigger but its not ment to be a bench gun.And it is a bad boy in the deer woods alot of fun to shoot.

June 7, 2011, PM

It has a Redfield Scope 3x-9x with iron sight mounts

Any good.

If you are talking about see-through mounts, that was a fairly common mounting system for these rifles. You ll get lots of negative opinions on see-throughs but I ve got them on my 760 and it works OK. A better alternative if you want to still be able to use iron sights is with a Quick Release system.

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Fine deer rifle. I bought one in 2003 . 30-06 BDL, used and played with it for awhile. Mine really likes 155 grain SSTs and Reloder 22 powder. MOA is easy with that rifle because the barrel is floated by design. The elder son fell in love with it, so I gave it to him, part of his early inheritance. We were shooting it last month and it still shoots into an inch at 100 yards when he does his part.

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Remington 760 is a keeper. This South Dakota lope was downed with a single shot at approx 275 yards.

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As previously mentioned, a classic PA deer rifle. I have owned a 760 Rifle 22 in. for about six years. Many successful deer seasons with it. I like it for deer hunting because of it s quick followup shot capability, accuracy, detachable magazine and commonality in that order. It is sad but true that I have forgotten to pack my mag on a hunt or a trip to the range. In PA somebody probably has an extra.

IN RETROSPECT: I have never needed a followup shot on a deer. I have needed followups on groundhogs. Very difficult with a pump when shooting prone. The action is also loud. I often hunt from tree stands and like anyone with sense, I haul my rifle up empty. When I chamber that first round I might as well be setting off an air horn. These are small problems, but the only ones I could think of.

I bought mine for 350 w/ a Redfield 3-9 scope one of the old metal-bodied ones . I thought it was quite a deal. I m still happy with it. I think a carbine would serve me better. They also built a 7600 7615 in. 223 that took AR mags. I may be in the market for one of those. It may also get you around some of those ridiculous NJ gun laws.

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Early Model 760s came with stocks with drops that were better suited for irons than scopes. If you were to scope a fifties vintage 760 using the deplorable see-thru mounts/rings set-up, you d better have a neck like Rubberman in order to attain a decent cheek to stock weld. Imo, older Model 760s were perfect candidates for using a good receiver sight.

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Very good rifles for deer, I moved onto bolt but killed my first deer with a 760. 243 when I was young, very easy to learn to use and handle and the price seems fair. Some of the early ones from the 50s and pre 64s Ive seen hit 3000 at auction but id imagine yours is a late 70s to early 80s model which 350-400 bucks for a fair condition is pretty good and ive even seen ones NIB for up to 750 for those years.

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It s the luck of the draw. Some 760s are terrific, some are pretty bad. I ve owned one of each, both 30-06. The one I bought as my first deer rifle wasn t much good. Accuracy was poor and the action would pop open when factory loads were fired.

The one I inherited from my Dad will shoot MOA with a 2-3/4X scope and isn t fussy about ammo. When I was in high school, he d let me use it for woodchucks. It was plenty accurate enough for the job. It was what drew me to 760s to begin with.

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I have also taken a couple of South Dakota Lopes with a. 270 model 760. Very accurate rifle. The longest shot I ever made was on a whitetail at just over 300 yards with a. 30-06 model 760. Someone had mentioned that they are a good gun for sub 150 yard shooting and that is just not true. They ll easily shoot with most CRF bolt guns.

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carbine

Always wnated one, a carbine, in. 308. One has not crossed my path..yet. Seems like an 06 in the stubby barrel, would only give you about. 308 power anyhow, plenty.

About a jillion PA deer hunters like em, or used to back in the day.

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Drum roll please for hunting on the Tuscarora Mountain Penciltucky where Daniel Boone blazed the trail.

First rifle I bought after I got out of the service in 1973. 11-20-73

The. 270 Winchester, the best non-belted magnum in the world.

The carbine is good for starting a fire in the woods

Your price seems high after what I paid for mine.

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Always liked pump actions, but never owned a rifle in that configuration. The new 7600 s are priced out of sight, especially with wood stocks. I still want one. I ve got a Savage bolt in 243, would sooner have a pump.

The action is also loud. I often hunt from tree stands and like anyone with sense, I haul my rifle up empty. When I chamber that first round I might as well be setting off an air horn.

This is not the case. I ve done this plenty of time in the woods. You ease the action closed until you hit resistance and then give a gentle push to lock the lugs in place. It really isn t very noisy if you re careful about it.

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On twist rate needed, it depends first and foremost on the length of the bullet, secondarily on its the weight, and least on its muzzle velocity. When people ask how heavy a bullet they can stabilize with their barrel s twist, they don t realize the question carries the implicit assumption the bullets they are comparing all have the same proportions, because only then do length and weight correlate.

In reality, with a given twist, you can stabilize a heavier bullet if it is shorter in shape. For example, a typical flat base bullet is shorter for its weight than a typical boattail, so you can fire a typical flat base that s a little heavier than you can a boattail. You could, for example, shoot the 64 grain Berger Match Varmint bullet flat base and for which Berger recommends a 12 twist, and actually get a higher ballistic coefficient than you can with the 55 grain boattails available. The problem is, you can t shoot the heavier bullet as fast, which costs you most of the BC advantage.

Second, when it comes to wind, all that matters are the ballistic coefficient and the muzzle velocity. In both cases, bigger is better. If you have a. 224 bullet with a ballistic coefficient of 0.4 and a. 308 bullet with a ballistic coefficient of 0.4 and you fire them both at the same muzzle velocity, the effect of wind on both will be exactly the same. Differences in weight and wind drag are all taken into account by the ballistic coefficient. Where the bigger round beats the smaller one is in how much energy it delivers to a long range target. For sniping that becomes important.

One other advantage for the. 308 is its typical 10 twist is comparable to a 7.2 twist in a. 223. It comes ready for long bullets, standard, so length for standard ammo was never a design limitation with it. As a result, 150 grain. 308 ball bullets typically have a BC about 0.1 higher than 55 grain. 224 ball bullets. At 600 yards, and allowing that the. 224 bullet will be starting out faster, figure that where a 10 MPH wind blows the 150 grain. 308 ball about 3 ft to the side, it will blow 55 grain. 223 ball about 4 ft to the side. That s not exact, but should give you some rough idea of the difference you are dealing with when you are limited by a 12 twist.

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All my 1-12 twists have been more accurate than my 1-9. With my Howa 1-12 in the desert we were routinely ringing an 8 inch gong at 400 yards good strides with cheep PMC 55gr FMJBT. There was a constant fair breeze asking us to hold about two inches right of center and elevated about 7 inches easy when you know how big the gong is in the sight. They were passing right through, a few of them leaving their jackets in the hole in the gong. When I know my rifle is tuned and sighted right on I love shooting in the wind at long distance gongs. There is nothing wrong with that round at greater distances on calmer days, and as stated earlier by someone the effective range is determined by the chap behind the trigger. Also don t forget what that round can do in terms of terminal ballistics at those ranges even at twice that range that round will mess things up very very badly.

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I haven t experienced reversed scope adjustments, but I have heard of a scope being mounted 90 degrees out

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Pic: check out the attachment.

Here s the target we shot that day. Luckily my bro still had the camera in his jeep. He sent it in an email. Hope yall enjoy. We started about 10am. It was about 90 degrees, 75 humidity 700ft. Wind was roughly 5-10 mph left to right. After I zeroed at 250 top left, my brother took some shots bottom left We waited a little while and smoked a cig waiting on the barrel to cool. I waited 5 mins between shots. I first moved the target to 110 yds just to see how high it would hit bottom right. A 300wsm roughly has the same impact at 100 when zeroed at 250 as a. 308 win. I was pleased and not really all that suprised at the results at 100. So I moved on out to 250 bottom right. My bro can tell you that I was visibly shaking when we saw the results from 250. Each of these circles is 3 in diameter. I was ready to take on 1000yds but we didn t have a 30mm tube on the gun. So we settled on 500. The shot marked 1st rd, found wind, denotes my ignorance of what was goin on. The damn wind started gustin to 25 mph. So I made the necessary adjustments and watched the grass by the target to duplicate conditions. All in all, I think we did alright. I ll post some pics of the gun I did it with when I can get to the safe. I ll post my heavy hitter. 300 wsm when it gets back from the smith. It s gettin some trigger work done and the smith in Dallas likes takin his sweet time.

By the way, the load on this was Winchester Brass, WLR Primers, 60gr H4350, 190gr SMK S, COAL is 2.886. The gun was a Savage 12 VLP DBM in 300wsm 26 Varmint Barrel. I highly recommend this gun. The weight makes a HUGE difference. I say it doesn t kick any more than a 7lb 30-06 with a 180gr bullet.

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load

I worked up a load for my PSL about a year or so ago. If you haven t heard, stay away from any slugs heavier than 150 gr, anything heavier will supposedly beat up the rifle.

I had hoped that. 308 dia slugs would work in my psL, and they showed promise, but often unexplained flyers as well.

Slugs. 311 in dia were more consistent and the Sierra 150 flat base Pro Hunter did best. Fact is, there aren t a whole lot of. 311 150gr slugs to choose from, Sierra, Speer and maybe a Hornady. I ended up using Varget as a powder, with a charge weight at the lower end of the scale, not full house. The reduced energy may contribute to accuracy, it saves brass on the ejection cycle for sure.

Privi factory 150 PSP did not do well, neither did either brand of wolf, steel or brass case. My rifle responded well to loading.

This winter I worked a range card up to 600 yds with the psl, it went about 2 MOA the whole way, shooting 3 rd groups. Optic was the 8x posp.

Finding brass lately has been a problem.

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The twist rate determines the length and weight of the bullets that can be stabilized in the barrel for accurate shooting.

The first AR series rifles had a to twist, which would stabilize the original round--55 grain FMJBT.

The 1:9 twist will stabilize those bullets, and the 62 grain rounds, which extended the accurate effective range to around 600 yards.

The 1:7 twist will stabilize bullets up to the 77 grain match rounds, which are generally used for match shooting.

The only commercially available rifles I know that have the 1:7 twist are Colt rifles. I could be wrong, however.

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I have long wondered this, you CAN put an additional/aftermarket upper say even a diff style 556 on the R-15. I like the R15 always have, And I believe there is a VTR PREDATOR CARBINE that i love as an SPR- 18 bbl, free float tube foreend, flattop receiver, mmm mmm- and to throw a black CQB receiver once in a while even better n

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Nosler TGR

Anyone have any expierence with the Nosle TGR. Saw the ad in the new American Rifleman mag. 300.00 off for NRA members. I have been wanting a Weatherby accumark and this looks interesting.

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Say what.

Are we shooting at paper, squirrel, Deer or an Elephant. Is the weapon a. 22lr, 30-30 win or. 416 Rigby. At 50 ft or 500 yds.

If you shoot a squirrel with a. 416 Rigby at six feet then the Flat/Round nose is kinda irrelevant.

A flat nose bullet will expand quicker. So if you shoot a 30-30 win at a 150lb whitetail deer, black bear or hog under 200 yds then this great. 500lb Grizzy or even bigger Elk 300 yds not so much, you need the penetration. easy, I know placement and ability matters more.

If I hit a deer, hog or any other target with a 24 - 30 inch mass using a 150 gr, 180 gr or 220 gr bullet at 2000 fps to 3500 fps it is passing through that target with out hesitation. How much penetration are you looking for.

Some believe that the slower velocity transfers more energy to the target.

So my question is what are you trying to accomplish.

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Lucas bore guides

All i ever hear about when reading about people cleaning there rifles all over the different sites i stalk is mike lucas s bore guides. So i figured get one.. easier said than done I m from the land down under and i ve tryed just about everywhere I ve emailed mike lucas about a bore guide for my rifle and he does not ship to australia.

So does anyone else know where i haven t looked yet.

Or could i give someone the money in the land up over to buy me one then ship one to me. finders fee of course.

Fingers crossed and thanks for your time.

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Savage 12 VLP DBM vs 25 LV

Looking at these two in. 223 and asking the Savage guys on the forum specifically about the differences in the action design between the two.

Read about both being accurate, having the good Accutrigger design, etc

Though I think the LV is 2 inches shorter and of course lighter, both have the laminate stock.

I m just wondering if for ex.:

1. is one more durable than the other.

2. At what point distance will I miss the extra two inches of the VLP.

3. Any thing peculiar to either design

This is for paper hunting and steel pinging at a max 600 yd range.

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.223 bolt gun recommendations

I m ready to add a. 223 bolt gun to my collection. I want it primarily for target shooting out to 500 yards, and the occasional varmint hunt. I have a strong interest in accuracy. I also have some appreciation for the aesthetics of the rifle.

What do you recommend and why.

Manufacturer.

Barrel profile and length.

Stock material type.

Scope, mounts, and bases.

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Savage 200,,,

Because it s a proven performer that doesn t cost an arm and a leg.

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I have a strong interest in accuracy. I also have some appreciation for the aesthetics of the rifle.

Walnut and blued steel rifles do have the eye appeal over synthetic/stainless rifles: Remington 700 BDL or CDL, CZ550, Ruger 77, TC Icon, Sako 85, Browning X-Bolt, Weatherby Vanguard, Cooper, Dakota Arms, and Winchester.

Stainless/synthetic rifles are very functional and appeal to some folks: Remington 700 XCR, TC Venture, Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA, the lists go on and on. Go handle as many rifles as you can and evaluate them for fit and appearances, then make up your mind.

Savage 200

Because it s a proven performer that doesn t cost an arm and a leg.

Sorry, but Savage rifles in this case, a Stevens rifle, the economy line of Savage look like they were built out of spare plumbing parts by a high school committee. Although they shoot well for a while, at least, until the sear fails, IMO they are not aesthetically pleasing in the least that big old barrel nut hung on the barrel, and all the stamped sheet metal parts.

Savage makes great shooters

I have this particular rifle in 308. A friend of mine has it in 223. They are our favorite guns. Actually these are LE sniper models. They are a bit heavy due to the bull barrel. I love that AccuTrigger. They ship out at 2 s. It may just be more accurate than I will ever be.

I prefer synthetic stocks on all my long guns for one simple reason: I USE THEM in the field. If it belongs in a glass case, leave it there.

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Winchester 70 Heavy Varmint.

In terms of accuracy, it ll blow out the X ring with a variety of bullet weights.

As for aesthetics, what exactly are you looking for. Mine gets called a sniper rifle by my non-shooting friends because of the black finish and black synthetic stock, and to be honest, it does have the tactical look about it. All in all, though, a great rifle, and one that I think would serve your purposes nicely.

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Savage LRP/for accuracy.

I should probably mention that I m currently shooting a Remy 700 PSS, a Win Mod 70 LE new with CRF action, and a Savage 10FCP McMillan - all in. 308 caliber. All big, heavy barreled stable shooting platforms.

You may notice the trend here - black on black - although they are all cammied up with bow paint at this point. All of them great shooters, sub. 5 MOA when I do my part.

So, what I m leaning towards is a rifle around 6 s with an American Walnut stock - something a little different than the big, black rifles I ve been shooting.

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I ve prowled around a lot of gun stores recently, just looking at what the various gun companies offer. I specifically wanted to have a look at the bolt rifles that have been getting talked about on this forum. To catch my interest, it has to be attractive, shoot well, and feel good in the hands. After my research I know again that I m not fond of the look of Savages. The Tikka, though a fine rifle, just didn t look that good to me. I liked that short barrel Remington that has the heavy triangular barrel. The barrel is odd looking, but I ll bet it shoots great. I d buy one of those. I like the look of Brownings and Winchesters. I couldn t find a CZ to handle. I did get to handle an FN with a short heavy barrel, and I d own one of those. The 223 I own and shoot is a Ruger Hawkeye with a sporter weight barrel, and I like it a lot, though I had to do some work to find just the right combo of bullet and powder. If I didn t have the Ruger, I think that Remington with the odd barrel would be my choice. It had the look of a serious rifle, and even with the heavier barrel, it handled real well.

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CZ 527 Varmit

I just purchased a CZ 527 Varmit 223 Walnut. I put a brand new Weaver T36 scope on it with the rings that came with the rifle. No where did it say the rifle came with rings but they were included. Rifle and scope seem to mate well. I had to buy the rifle without handling one but none of the LGS that handle CZ rifles had one for me touch and feel so I took a chance.

I have only had it to the range 2 times and not settled on a load for it yet but it looks promissing. I also need to do some work on my bench setup to find the mechanical accuracy of this gun. If you are serious about shooting at 500 yards you probably should look at the laminated or Kevlar stock options. If I had it to do over again I probably would have gone with the laminated stock if it was available.

Anyway please see attached picture of mine. Hope this helps.

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Howa or Wby Vanguard are on the top of my list.

JT: I ve been giving serious consideration to the CZ 527 M1 American. I wanted to see what similar rifle others would recommend.

We have a local Gander Mtn - no CZ to handle - and they are the only authorized dealer. I won t buy from them but they usually have an example to handle,

If I get this rifle, I ll probably buy it on faith since it doesn t look like I ll be able to pull one up to my shoulder first.

Ike, the American would be in the 6 pound range you mentioned in you second post. I question it for 500 yard target shooting unless you have more time between shots than I can spend to let your barrel cool. Maybe heavy varmit barrels are over-rated for 223 caliber, I have wondered about this.

Anyway, good luck with whatever rifle you purchase.

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For what you are describing, I would personally go with the CZ. I haven t shot their centerfires but if my 452 is any indication, they are as accurate as I have heard. As much as I love my Savages and they are extremely accurate, they aren t exactly the prettiest rifles out there. The CZs on the other hand are very nice, imo.

Once hip pocket national bank will float me the loan, my next rifle will be another CZ.

June 14, 2011, AM

I would recommend this one:

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Sub MOA Thompson Center TC-ICON Precision Hunter. Aesthetically beautiful and deadly accurate. Available in. 223 Remington and several other calibers. Also available in other stocks. Three shots within 1/2 at 100 yards.

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Savage all the way.When you say good looking lots of rifles come to mind,but when you throw the word ACCURACY into the pot,now you have narrowed it down to one-SAVAGE..

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See, now I m torn. I love my Savage 10FCP - tack driver right out of the box. Could nt ever get a load for the 175 SMK tuned for it, but it ll flat shoot some 168 SMKs and 155 Palmas into the proverbial gnat s eye.

I don t think they are particularly ugly, but they re no beauties either.

I m still leaning towards a CZ 527 M1 American, although I d like a 1:9 without having to re-barrel it.

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I ve had the Ruger M77MkII Target rifle . 223 for some time now.

Similar to this

Excellent gun. Composite stock, excellent finish, and nice trigger. It s a little heavy if you want to do any walking with it, but it s a fun gun to shoot. Recoil is non existent too. It shoots better than I do. I don t have anywhere to shoot out past 200yrds so I can t really comment on distances beyond that.

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i have the same gun as waterboy and love it havent shot it past 150 but it groups great

Took the plunge

and came home today from my LGS with a brand new CZ 527 American. It has a beautiful walnut stock and I picked up a decent used Weaver K6 scope to throw on it.

Going to the range Friday.

Good choice, they are great little guns and a blast to shoot, for not much more money they are a heck of alot more gun than the savage everyone was ranting about

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Remington 700 SPS Tactical.

I have a Savage 12 VLP in. 308 that would really shine in. 223.

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Standard 700SPS

Hello chaps, my first post here love the forum.

I have to cast a vote for the standard 700 SPS for several reasons. I do like CZ and Savage a lot and I have another Howa-1500 in. 223 but recently came by a brand new 700SPS in. 223 and so far after about 50 rnds through, not one 3-shot group has been over MOA. I don t know why. It s in it s cheep plastic stock wearing a little 2-7x32 ProStaff. I love the 700 format just for it s durability, simplicity and safety. I turned the x-Mark trigger down to about 2.5 Lbs. This one has the standard 24 in barrel/plain un-vented stock.

I haven t even worked out a load for it, and my breaking-in procedure shows zero copper fouling I m not kidding. It s shooting 45gr BTs through to bulk 62gr FBHP with canular with equal aplomb. I m stumped as to why this one shoots one-hole groups half the time, and just under an inch the other half. I m not using fancy rests, just off good sandbags and a rear bunny.

Had I found this rifle a few years ago I would have saved an awful lot of time and money that I have wasted. When I bough it I fully intended to get a nice stock, but now I m wondering- maybe not.

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Eotech XPS - Anyone actually buy/use it.

I understand they were supposed to actually be out. Has anyone actually bought or used the XPS. I ve been holding off getting an Eotech for my AR until the XPS comes out and there s some feedback from users.

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July 9, 2009, PM

Just looked at Eotech site.

Nice. I like that new version. It ought to put to rest any worries about the batteries shifting due to recoil, and the battery springs getting weakened.

Who also wonders when it will be available, and for how much.

I saw it advertised a couple of months ago on Optics Planet but wasn t to be available until the summer. Now, Optics Planet says sold out. I m thinking maybe the first shipments have started but can t find out. I would also prefer someone else field test it.

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I d definitely appreciate the reduced weight and rail usage, but I m going to wait for several more reviews before I jump on one. They look exciting though.

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500-600 hours battery life, as compared to 50,000 hours from Aimpoint Micro models.

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I just looked at OpticsPlanet.com as well. It seems they have both the NV and non-NV versions in stock now. 469 for the non-NV and 545 for the NV compatible.

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Different animals. I like the the little Aimpoint but not everyone wants a 4 MOA dot. Some prefer the EOTech reticle and no visibility from the front. That s why I have an EO.

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I ordered an Eotech XPS3-0 in FEBRUARY from OpticsPlanet. At the time, it was noted as May delivery.

I was told that I was too far back in the queue to get something from the JUNE shipment and that the next shipment was due in the first week of JULY just passed and that I was 15th in line. I called and that shipment seems to be held up.

Anywho, long and short, they ARE shipping, but they are considerably backordered.

On another note, I ordered the NEW version of the Eotech 3x flip-to-side magnifier and it arrived from OpticsPlanet in approx 3 days.

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Now that s cool.

I m a dyed-in-the-wool EOTech fanatic. I saw bearded men with no name tapes using them in Trashcanistan while I was there, and had the opportunity to see them do a demonstration of it as compared to my issued Aimpoint. The bearded men had trashed their issued Aimpoints and bought EOTechs.

I stupidly sold my 512 to a buddy who made me an offer I couldn t refuse. I m in the market for a new one. I may have to get the mini XPS once the buying frenzy cools off. Not too many red dots out there can put 5 rounds into 1 at 100, but I ve seen my former EOtech 512 do it maybe a half dozen times using XM193 in an M4gery. Dang it, I can feel my wallet getting 450 lighter..

Different animals. I like the the little Aimpoint but not everyone wants a 4 MOA dot. Some prefer the EOTech reticle and no visibility from the front. That s why I have an EO.

I agree completely. I have a Burris FastFire with a 4 MOA dot and sometimes I find it s more distracting than helpful. Since I ve recently picked up my 512, I ve quickly learned to prefer the crisper 1 MOA dot. I also especially like the 65 MOA ring on the Eotechs - very handy for estimating range. 65 MOA 68 at 100 yards, about the average height of man.

Anyway, this XPS looks interesting but pricey. The reticule options are nice, though. If I were to get one, it probably would be the 65 MOA ring with the 2 dots - although that may be too busy. I d have to see it in person.

I wasn t aware that the micros only came in 4 MOA. My ML3 has a 2 MOA and I love it. I ve got a stigmatism in both eyes, so looking through an EOTech makes the reticle do numbers for me. Too busy.

I just wonder why it is that EO can t come up with the same battery technology Aimpoint uses.

jg0001--

Make sure you give us a review when you get yours. I am not a real serious AR guy, so the 500-600 hour battery life is fine with me. I am curious to see if this resolves the shifting battery problem.

July 11, 2009, PM

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tag for a future review.

My kid wants one for his SIG 556. Last month I saw the XPS2-0 for sale at optics planet but Calvin at brightflashlights stated that they weren t shipping yet. I hope they come in soon.

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I just wonder why it is that EO can t come up with the same battery technology Aimpoint uses.

My understanding is that it has to do with the way the reticle is projected. the EOtech uses some fancy holographic projection deal that sucks batteries dry, while the Aimpoint is a standard LED reflex design - the catch being that they use a state-of-the-art LED that is incredibly small and thus requires very little power to illuminate.

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I ve got a copy of the 2009 EoTech catalog the soldier on the cover has an XPS on his Bushy. Looks pretty sweet.

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July 14, 2009, PM

As of today July 14th, I m still on backorder status as I noted, I did get the new for 2009 Eotech 3. 25 x FTS magnifier, so I will be able to toy with the combo eventually.

July 17, 2009, PM

Checked in with OpticsPlanet again 7/17 they called Eotech for me and they have shifted their expected date from what was 7/6 to late July/early August. The OP rep mentioned something about manufacturing issues or somesuch as causing the delay. Looks like I ll be waiting a bit more.

July 31, 2009, PM

XPS is in the Sportsmans Guide cat I rec d today 7-31. Appears as though they re finally shipping.

Edit: XPS2-0 out of stock. I wonder if they ever actually had any. Website shows expected availability August 10th.

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Still can t compete with the Aimpoint Micro, sorry.

I definitely prefer the single 2moa dot of an ML3. My kid wants a circle dot and he can t have my 553, so XPS2-0 it is.

August 22, 2009, PM

FYI: it s August 22nd and I Optics Planet is STILL backordered on my Eotech XPS 3-0. They received one shipment in June and nothing since. I ordered in FEBRUARY.

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10 week backorder, according to ADS. I m ordering mine today.

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Today Aug 24, 2009 OpticsPlanet sent me an email it s BACK IN STOCK. I had to call them to verify that I still wanted it that kind of annoys me -- I hope they didn t put me at risk of not getting it after a 6 month wait..

Anyhow, my order status at last says shipped. Woo.

August 27, 2009, PM

It Eotech XPS3-0 arrived. And here I go.. making with the pictures

Along with it, you ll see my 3x Flip to Side magnifier-- the Eotech G23.FTS

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I m always amused at those who complain about the short battery life of Eotechs. The Eotech 550A gets 1100 hours on a pair of AA cells. That s about a month and a half - continuous, or about 5 a year you d spend on batteries if you run it continuously and it never shuts itself off.

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Eotech XPS3

Bought the new Eotech XPS3-0 and not impressed. Came in with a QD lever mount that s about the only but the recticle is not as clean and crisp as advertised. Own 2 Amiponts ML3s - one with 2MOA and the other with 4 MOA dot. Besids the weight and the battery life comps, Aimpoint is superior in recticle and accuracy of shots. Even with the 4MOA dot the groops are much tighter when compared to Eotech s 1 MOA.

Unlike Aimpoint, which came with a rubbber protective cover and flip-up lens covers for the same price as Eotech, one has to buy lens covers for Eotech after market. GG G sells them, but after buyng 1 on E-Bay that did not fit the XPS3 although advertised as an XPS-series cover and buying a 2nd one directly from GG G, I am left disapointed. The cover was designed to fit XPS2 and is short for fitting under the XPS3 hood. Even after some modifications like making a razor blade cut in the cover side pannels to allow for stretching in order to mount, the GG G cover just won t stay shut. Wrote GG G an e-mail to ask why are they selling a miss-fitted product, but got no reply Anyway, for the price, Eotech should include it s own lens covers.

In summary, I ll probably end up selling the Eotech and buyng Aimpoint again the new COMP M4S perhaps.

Sorry Eotech fans, but they just don t pass the cut for me.

Join Date: January 6, 2009

Posts: 109

Problem with AK47 with Tapco G2

I inspected my bolt for cleaning and I noticed the rear of the bolt Where the hammer strikes the firing pin Looks deformed. The tapco g2 hammer has a conture on the hammer face, and it looks like it has made a dent in the rear of the bolt. Is this a big problem.

The dent of the bolt s butt is an inward curve.

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Join Date: April 28, 2009

Location: Central Texas

Posts: 183

My daughter got a Marlin 795 for Christmas in 2009. It would jam on the next to last round quite frequently. When I looked at the mag, it looked like the lips were not very parallel. I called Marlin, and they sent a new one, no charge. The new one looked better, and we have had no problems since we switched to it.

From this, I conclude that a bad mag can make a Marlin jam, and that Marlin is willing to make sure that you have a good magazine to use.

Tom

Join Date: March 16, 2011

Location: Woodinville WA north of Seattle

Posts: 147

Cleaning suggestion, 91/30

I was cleaning my rifle this morning and found a spot that I have been missing and I m a little concerned. Since I shoot surplus Soviet bloc ammo I m nearly obsessively focused on the threat of corrosive ammo. So far, I have not noticed any adverse effects so I ve been pretty confident in my cleaning routine.

Until this morning.

The area that I m having trouble with is very end of the barrel that seats in the receiver. I don t have a brush that fits the space nor do my fat finger have enough room and leverage to give it the scrub it needs.

Any suggestions on tools or techniques for this problem area.

Coyote WalkingTall

91/30 Mosin Nagant, P95 Ruger

M P S W. 38, Savage 111 30.06

Springfield XD. 45

Join Date: May 29, 2007

Location: St. Louis, MO area

Posts: 3,988

One of my favorite vendors PK Firearms has a Bushmaster complete flat top 16 upper, less carry handle/rear sight, for 515.

So yeah, assuming great condition and low round count, 400 and I d prefer it come with the carry handle or rear sight for that. Higher round count, no rear sight, lots of wear, that price goes down accordingly.

Join Date: June 18, 2011

How to remove bolt from Savage 93. 17 HMR.

Savage 93. 17 HMR with Accutrigger

Hi - I bought this rifle new a couple years ago and I believe I was able to remove the bolt for cleaning previously but it was difficult. I have the manual in front of me and I am doing everything it says but something is caught somewhere at the rearmost part of the bolt travel and it won t come out. I removed the magazine and am depressing the trigger backwards as I move the bolt backwards - just like the manual says. But I am having no luck. Thanks for any ideas.

My other rifles are 2 bolt action Remington 700 s . 300 WSM. 223, a semiauto Ruger. 22, a. 223 Keltec semiauto rifle. I have shotguns and pistols also. My newest shotgun is a Maxus Stalker.

I know well the black plastic furniture--my L1A1 builder thought I was nuts when I specifically requested that he replace wood furniture on a rifle I was buying with.